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j4 ([personal profile] j4) wrote2010-11-04 10:57 pm
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Games people play

This is cheating a bit, but then I've already set the bar low by resorting to writing about my dreams on day 2, so a meme isn't really much worse, right...?

Rules: Use the first letter of your name to answer each of the following questions. They have to be real . . . nothing made up! If the person before you had the same first initial, you must use different answers. You cannot use any word twice and you can't use your name for the boy/girl name question.



Your name: Janet
A four-letter word: jolt
A boy's name: Julian
A girl's name: Jerilyn (it is a real name, I had a friend at primary school called that)
An occupation: judge
A color: jaune (cheating, I know, but I can't think of a real one!)
Something you wear: jacket
A food: jerky (om nom nom)
Something found in the bathroom: Janet (quite frequently these days)
A place: Janet's house (this is getting desperate)
A reason for being late: Janet going back to get something she forgot
Something you shout: jump!
A movie title: Jaws
Something you drink: juice (preferably grape)
A musical group: 
Journey
An animal: jagular
A street name: Jeune Street
The title of a song: Jilted John

This one's a bit of an odd 'meme' (in the sense that we seem to use the word on LiveJournal) because the answers don't seem to have to be anything personal. In fact, it's not so much a meme, as a game. We used to play it at home, and we called it "Fruit Flower" because those were the first two categories on the list. Fruit, flower, boy's name, girl's name, places, that sort of thing. I don't know where the list came from but it got printed out on neat little sheets time and time again, a game that children and adults could play together (though categories like "politician" or "cocktail" tended to be a bit of a lost cause for me as a child). You had to try to get a different word from everybody else, and the points you scored were reduced for every other person who shared your answer: so if 5 people were playing and 4 of them had the same answer, they'd each only score 1 point, but if nobody else had the same answer, they'd score 5 points. The letter for each round was selected by sticking a pin in a page of text with your eyes shut. (This was before the internet! There's probably an app for it now.)

Many years later we got the board game Scattergories for Christmas, and were delighted to find that it was Fruit Flower but with new and better lists (and a timer that went chka-chka-chka-chka-chka-chka for 3 minutes in the most distracting way possible before going off with a deafening BRRRRRRRRING that made you jump and skitter your pencil across the paper). The lists in Scattergories were much sillier, and therefore there was much more leeway for ridiculous answers which could be happily argued over: "something sticky", "something you're afraid of", "something you'd find in the fridge". (The scoring was easier, too: 1 point for a unique answer, otherwise no points.) It was always interesting to see how many times people come up with the same obvious answer, or the same non-obvious answer (second-guessing the obvious answer), or the same in-joke answer. I was delighted the first time the letter 'S' came up for the list containing the category 'something sticky' as it meant I could put "STICK" (it's one of my favourite jokes: Q: "What's brown and sticky?" A: "A stick") ... only to find that at least one other person had thought they were being just as clever by doing the same thing.

At the risk of turning this into the Wikipedia article on category games (Category:Category Games), this game is also featured in an episode of The Simpsons... OK, I lied. Well, it might have been, but I don't know. However, there is a description of the Chalet School girls playing the same game, in A Problem for the Chalet School (1956), as part of an evening's entertainment of 'paper games':
At Rosamund's table, when they had opened their folded slips, they found them headed with a large N and beneath a list as Country, Town, River, Book Title, Girl's Name, Boy's Name and so on. They had to name one of each beginning with the letter N. "Keep them as out of the ordinary as you can," Len warned the others. "If you get names other people have, they're crossed out and won't count." [...]
Unfortunately Wikipedia seems to have deemed the game not notable enough to exist so I don't have a good starting point for finding earlier references to it, but I should imagine it's been around for a long time. People like putting things in categories: women, fire, dangerous things, animals that belong to the emperor, that sort of thing. People like putting things in boxes, tagging them.

A post about categories would have probably been more interesting than this one, but to be honest I'm too tired to do it justice. Put this post in the 'space-filler' category and have done with it. But it's still another day ticked off the list.
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[identity profile] jiggery-pokery.livejournal.com 2010-11-05 09:55 am (UTC)(link)
IIRC, it was "at an unspecified location in an unspecified country anywhere in the world". I think I was covertly begging the answer "underneath the Eiffel Tower", to test a received wisdom that that would/should be the answer, and don't think I got it.

Very similar games to the above were played postally, particularly in the 1990s, normally under names like "By Popular Demand". For instance, "By Quite Popular Demand" (or "By Not So Popular Demand") awards minus (or zero) points to players submitting the single most popular answer, or any of several answers involved in the tie, but positive points (as per Common Answers above) for every other answer. Accordingly the aim was to try to submit the second most popular answer.

On TV, Family Fortunes is indeed based on the Common Answers principle, and the "it doesn't matter whether it's a correct answer or not, just whether people have picked it" property is fun; conversely, Pointless (and, briefly, Topranko) were based on principles rather closer to Scattergories, though (almost always) without the given-initial-letter criterion. Heck, Scattergories itself had a short-lived TV show in the US. This goes to demonstrate - if anything - that there aren't all that many game ideas out there sufficiently simple to turn into a game show.

[identity profile] addedentry.livejournal.com 2010-11-05 10:11 am (UTC)(link)
You may also remember [livejournal.com profile] fivemack's Invariants quiz, in which points went to questions, not answers. A question to which everyone or no one knew the answer got nul points (too easy to set!) The most points went to a question pitched just right, i.e. with 50% correct answers.

But I digress.
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[personal profile] simont 2010-11-05 11:49 am (UTC)(link)
That's a scoring system also used in games of induction (well, at least, those organised enough to have a scoring system, i.e. not Mao). Typically each guessing player scores based on how efficiently they guess the rule, and the rule-setter scores in some way that's based on the spread of the guessers' scores, so that (as you say) they're encouraged to set problems at a difficulty level that differentiates players from each other. Of course setters' and guessers' scores aren't directly comparable, so everyone has to take a turn at setting before you can sensibly work out who won.
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[personal profile] shermarama 2010-11-05 10:33 am (UTC)(link)
(I have a terrible weakness for Pointless... it's something about Alexander Armstrong doing what I'm convinced is an impression of an urbane game show host, like at some point he's going to dramatically kick over his little lectern and, I don't know, either plunge a sword through Richard Osman's heart and then run out laughing, or turn to the camera and deliver the punchline to the entire extraordinarily extended sketch.)