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It's my mum's birthday in August, and she usually has a book wish-list which she gives to my dad, my sister and me in case we can't think of anything else to buy her. Now while I don't really mind buying stuff off the list, a) it seems a bit daft given that she's quite happy to buy them for herself anyway, and b) there's always a lot of faff between the three of us as to who buys what, sometimes resulting in duplicate copies. I'd quite like to get her something that she wouldn't buy for herself, i.e. something she might not even know exists, but should like anyway.

So, knowing that there are a fair few SF/Fantasy geeks reading this, I'm turning to you guys for help. Things I know she has read and enjoyed recently:

[edited to include suggestions that I know she's already got/read]
  • Pratchett (funny how it's always the obvious ones you forget to mention)
  • Katherine Kerr (? I think she's got some of these)
  • Terry Goodkind
  • Ursula Le Guin
  • Mercedes Lackey
  • Raymond Feist
  • Julia Gray, The Guardian Cycle series
  • Robert Jordan, Wheel of Time series
  • Guy Gavriel Kay, pretty much everything AFAICT
  • Robin Hobb, "Assassin" / "Fool" series
  • Marion Zimmer Bradley
  • Sheri S. Tepper
  • Barbara Hambly
  • Elizabeth Moon
  • Diana Wynne Jones
  • "Bridget Jones" :-)

Can anybody recommend anything that someone who's liked all these might enjoy? (Apologies in advance if I end up saying "I think she's got/read that", I can't remember everything that's on her shelves...) Ideally I want to avoid authors she's already buying everything by, because it's just too easy to duplicate stuff.

NB it doesn't have to be Fantasy (you know I don't really do genre anyway!) but she doesn't read that much SF and I've not had that much success finding non-genre things that she likes... at least, I lent her a huge stack of books a while ago and she wasn't wildly enthusiastic about any of them. Open to suggestions, though.
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Date: 2005-07-04 01:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] damned-colonial.livejournal.com
How about Connie Willis? I mention this not out of any particular similarity, but just because I've never yet found anyone who liked the non-hard-SF end of speculative fiction of any kind and didn't enjoy "To Say Nothing of the Dog".

Date: 2005-07-04 01:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] k425.livejournal.com
Diane Duane is nice. Fantasy, cats. Book of Night With Moon and On Her Majesty's Wizardly Service - cats, kids and dinosaurs fight and save the world.

Date: 2005-07-04 02:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bibliogirl.livejournal.com
Lois Bujold? I hear a lot of good things about her stuff even if I've not got round to reading it myself yet.

Date: 2005-07-04 02:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] j4.livejournal.com
I'd never heard of author or title until now, but if the review/summary on Amazon (http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0553575384/) is accurate, it sounds fantastic! Suspect this is one for me to read anyway (and buy a copy for my mum if I think she'll like it too).

BTW, um, those Georgette Heyer books... [looks sheepish] ... there was faff, & I didn't have an address for you, but mostly there was just faff, & I'm sorry. I do still have them, and if you email me an address, I'll post them to you -- will pay postage ('printed paper' will be cheapish anyway) for the sake of giving them a good home & gaining the space in the library. :-)

Date: 2005-07-04 02:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] j4.livejournal.com
The name rings a bell, which may just mean that other people have mentioned her or may mean my mum's already got some... Sounds good, though, so I will try to sneak a peek at bookshelves (or ask my dad to do so).

Date: 2005-07-04 02:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] senji.livejournal.com
Wizard of the Pigeons is Megan Lindholm's (Robin Hobb's less famous name!) most consistently recommended book. And, well, I enjoyed it…

Date: 2005-07-04 02:08 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] taimatsu
Oooh, my partner has that and I've kept peering at it and never read it. Sounds like I ought to give it a go.

[livejournal.com profile] j4, your mother's tastes sound not too far from mine! I really enjoyed an SF trilogy by John Varley; three books entitled 'Titan', 'Wizard' and 'Demon'. I actually want to buy them for Hugo who turns 18 on Friday, but Robert thinks they might be out of print. Worth a look if you do see them, though, despite their SFness.

There's always Raymond E Feist; I liked the initial couple of Midkemia books ('Magician' and 'Silverthorn') and the 'Foo of the Empire' trilogy (with Janny Wurts) much more than the rest of it, which is more spinoff cashing-in sort of stuff, IMO.

One assumes she has read Neil Gaiman's 'Neverwhere' and 'American Gods', but if by some chance that's not the case... Also the Charles Vess-illustrated version of Stardust is very nice indeed (it's a nearly-graphic-novel format rather than a standard book).

I think that may all be very obvious. I'll ask Robert as well, because he likes some authors on that list that I'm less familiar with.

Date: 2005-07-04 02:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fluffymormegil.livejournal.com
I'll recommend the earlier Mercedes Lackey stuff - Oathbound/Oathbreakers, Arrows of the Queen/Arrow's Flight/Arrow's Fall. After that she starts writing too many angsty gayboys. (I have nothing in principle against angsty gayboys, but Vanyel Ashkevron is such a stereotype!)

Date: 2005-07-04 02:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bibliogirl.livejournal.com
Actually, you could always try her on some of the non-Valdemar Lackey, too -- the recent stuff like _Gates of Sleep_ is quite fun, as is _Fairy Godmother_. I mean, we're not talking deep literature here, but still entertaining.

Date: 2005-07-04 02:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] j4.livejournal.com
Ah, I'm afraid I think she's got some of those actually -- definitely the Arrows stuff, so probably the others as well. Will amend the list accordingly...

And, um, I really liked Magic's Pawn.

Date: 2005-07-04 02:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] perdita-fysh.livejournal.com
I *heart* Diane Wynne Jones (and she has written so much stuff that you can probably find something she doesn't already have without too much effort too, Amazon marketplace is good for out of print stuff).

On the grounds that anyone else who loves DWJ might also love other things I love, I also love Ursula Le Guin. Not that the styles are the same in any way, I think it is more to do with intelligent, well written stuff not about 'real life'. The Earthsea stuff is her most fantasy, least sci fi, work but also what she's most likely to have already come across. Maybe she hasn't already found things like 'Worlds of Exile and Illusion' 'The Left Hand of Darkness' 'The Lathe of Heaven' or 'The Dispossessed' though?

Date: 2005-07-04 02:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] j4.livejournal.com
Looks like the John Varley books are OOP but easily available on Amazon second-hand. How SF are they? I mean, are they more towards the 'soft' end or the 'hard' end?

Raymond Feist is another one I forgot to list that she's already got lots by, I'm afraid. Including the ones with Wurts. (I preferred "Faerie Tale", which is more at the horror end of fantasy, to all the Magician stuff myself!)

She's read Neverwhere, but American Gods is a really good idea! I am dim for not thinking of it, too, as I've got it & read it and enjoyed it. Thank you!

Date: 2005-07-04 02:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fluffymormegil.livejournal.com
Oooh. I'd forgotten about Faerie Tale. That one's creepy.

Date: 2005-07-04 02:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sesquipedality.livejournal.com
The Gaea trilogy is on the border between hard and soft SF, but very readably so.

Another possibility is Shards of Honour by Lois Mcmaster Bujold, which I just enjoyed reading.

But John Varley is great.

totally off, but

Date: 2005-07-04 02:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vinaigrettegirl.livejournal.com
She might really like David Nobbs's "Going Gently" (he's the originator of Reginald Perrin, amongst other things). It's a very lively and satisfying read, and as it includes humour, elements of fantasy and the surreal, more than one wise woman, and insight, it might be a memorable birthday book.

She might also like "Notes from Overground" ('Man is born free but is everywhere in trains'), by 'Tiresias', which is fantastically funny and can be returned-to over and over again.

Date: 2005-07-04 02:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] geekette8.livejournal.com
Jasper Fforde (the Thursday Next series)?

Date: 2005-07-04 02:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] j4.livejournal.com
I'm afraid she's already got all the Le Guin I'd be likely to be able to find... and I thought "The Left Hand of Darkness" was required reading for anybody who claimed to have ever read SF/Fantasy (or is that just in Cambridge?) ;-)

There may be some DWJ she doesn't have but I know she just got rid of "Howl's Moving Castle" and, um, another one (in the same series? Looked like, anyway...) on the grounds that she probably wouldn't bother reading them a second time, so I suspect I may have mined that seam to the limit.

Sorry!

Date: 2005-07-04 02:23 pm (UTC)
taimatsu: (Default)
From: [personal profile] taimatsu
Haven't read Faerie Tale, might have to do so :)

I am too inexperienced with SF to be able to tell where something falls on the soft-hard spectrum; Robert may be able to be more specific. I'll type the blurb from the first book for you, though, and you can judge.

TITAN: a world inside a world.

Outside it was a vast, wheel-shaped construct orbiting Saturn; inside -- it was impossible, bizarre, an endless landscape inhabited by creatures out of legend.

And it had captured the crew of a NASA probe.

'Fine reading -- an exciting story...with a science fiction setting which is both awesome and unusually well-devised.' - Poul Anderson


It's probably got quite a hard SF setting, but the meat of the book is about people reacting to their environment, and discovering an organic world (as opposed to discovering fantastic technology or mystifying machines).

Date: 2005-07-04 02:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fluffymormegil.livejournal.com
Other thoughts...
Lyndon Hardy's Master of the Five Magics et seq (two others whose precise titles I forget, although their numerical parts follow on from five).
Katherine Kurtz's Deryni novels.
Ardath Mayhar - Khi To Freedom and others.
Patricia C. Wrede - Talking to Dragons and its related works are fairly light-hearted, the other stuff rather less so.
PC Hodgell - God Stalk et seq. (Though laying hands on God Stalk itself may be Hard :/ )
(Pretty much everything I'm mentioning is off my mother's bookshelves.)

Date: 2005-07-04 02:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] j4.livejournal.com
Ooh, yes, possibly. I started reading one of them & it didn't really wow me, but it looked quite good fun, so I might have another look with a view to "will she like this?" rather than "do I like this enough to bother reading it given that I have a zillion other things to read as well?" IYSWIM. :-)

Date: 2005-07-04 02:27 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] taimatsu
Oooh yes, seconded. :)

More thoughts: I have recently read 'Lazy Ways to Make a Living' by Abigail Bosanko, which could be called chick-lit but was actually not nearly as formulaic as I thought it might be (I bought it for a quid in Hay-on-Wye). It might appeal to the Bridget Jones end of her tastes :) It's basically about relationships, but with a background of chess and lexicography.

If she doesn't have Helen Fielding's 'Olivia Joules and the Overactive Imagination', she might enjoy that, but it's incredibly silly.

Date: 2005-07-04 02:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] borusa.livejournal.com
Hmm.

Well, there's always the George RR Martin "Song Of Ice And Fire" sequence, that's still ongoing. They're both enjoyable and good, but not very light - think Richard III in a Fantasy world.

Um... I quite enjoyed the "Novice"/"High Lord" wozzit series (Trudi Canavan, later research shows), though I don't think they're very good (but then, Elizabeth Moon is on the original list and I think she's very enjoyable and not very good).

I'm not being much help here, but we're running into my belief that there's been an awful lot of really poor fantasy written, and very little actual "good stuff". Though I enjoy much of it, it's rarely that great.

I presume she's read the Susan Cooper "Dark Is Rising" sequence.

Ah-ha! "Tea With The Black Dragon" by R.A.MacAvoy.

Although this is a mixture of Sci Fi and Fantasy, it used to be one of the best things on the Internet before it got abandoned :- http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Cavern/6113/t100256.txt

Date: 2005-07-04 02:28 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] rmc28
I've got books by about 2/3 of that list and would add the following (some of which I know other people have said, but I may as well add a vote or two):

* Diane Duane
* Lois McMaster Bujold (especially Shards of Honor & Barrayar, sometimes sold in one book as Cordelia's Honor)
* Ursula Le Guin (especially The Left Hand of Darkness, because it is excellent and everyone should read it)
* Vernor Vinge: A Fire Upon The Deep or A Deepness In The Sky as a first one, I was less enthralled by Across Realtime although it is still good.

* Jenny Crusie, who's definitely Not SF or fantasy, but more like Georgette Heyer except set *now* rather than in costume drama. And makes me laugh a lot.

Date: 2005-07-04 02:28 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] juliet
Is she much on the historical stuff? I very much enjoyed 'Quicksilver' by Neal Stephenson which is sort of, er, historical-fantasy-epic, er... I dunno, I enjoyed it in the same sort of way as I enjoy fantasy, because he has this richly detailed & enormously complicated world to get engrossed in. So your mum might like it too.

Date: 2005-07-04 02:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] k425.livejournal.com
Oh, R.A.MacAvoy's fantastic. Tea with the Black Dragon, Twisting the Rope, what are the three (three? I'm sure it's three) about Gabriel?
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