Bed alert

Jul. 20th, 2006 02:43 pm
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[personal profile] j4
Apparently, sharing a bed with a woman "drains men's brains". So, chaps, if you want a good night's sleep, it's time to start making with the boykissing. But what is this so-called 'sleep expert' on about? "Historically, we have never been meant to sleep in the same bed as each other." Historically? Does he mean in the days when people routinely shared a bed with all their siblings, and livestock, assuming they could tell the difference, because there wasn't enough space or central heating to do otherwise? Or before that, when we all curled up in a cave? I mean, okay, I actually skipped most of history at school because I was too busy writing big fat goth poetry, but I'm sure I'd have remembered the bit where the Earl of Bunk-bed invented split-level sleeping-arrangements as a workaround for being kept awake by his wife (or donkey?) "Spinning" Jenny endlessly tossing and turning in his bed next to him.

In other news, though, I say, it's rather hot, isn't it? Has anybody else noticed this? I'm thinking of writing a LiveJournal article about it.

Date: 2006-07-20 02:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] beingjdc.livejournal.com
"Spinning" Jenny

IJLTS "Seed Drill". And possibly horse hoe.

Date: 2006-07-20 03:44 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] simont
I just googled for "diving belle", to see if anyone else had thought of the pun before. Someone had, but I was amused to find that the majority of the first ten hits were apparently from people who really thought that was how "diving bell" was spelled. This led to phrases like "spend two days on [or in] a diving belle" which were funnier than the deliberate pun.

Date: 2006-07-20 09:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kjaneway.livejournal.com
*snigger*

Nearly as shocked as we are by the occurrence of winter, every year. :-)

Date: 2006-07-20 02:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] geekette8.livejournal.com
From the article: A lot of life events that women have disturb sleep - bringing up children, [...]

I can feel my feminist hackles rising at that statement.

And yes, it is rather warm, isn't it?

Date: 2006-07-20 02:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bibliogirl.livejournal.com
Warm, you say? Really? Can't say as I'd noticed*

* may contain sarcasm

Date: 2006-07-20 02:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aardvark179.livejournal.com
"Historically we," in this case clearly means, "French aristocracy who were actually sleeping with their lovers, but could admit to it publicly." Either that or the sleep expert has some issues he really should deal with.

Reading the article I get the feeling that boykissing isn't go to help either, clearly men should accept they are inferior, admit they aren't even needed any more (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/5166462.stm), and go and sleep in the spare room.

Date: 2006-07-20 02:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] camellia-uk.livejournal.com
I tend to discount any 'scientific' evidence that comes from a sample of eight people. 'Expert' indeed, hah!

Date: 2006-07-20 02:57 pm (UTC)
lnr: Halloween 2023 (Default)
From: [personal profile] lnr
sixteen!

It is indeed a rather stupidly small sample.

Date: 2006-07-20 03:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] camellia-uk.livejournal.com
Eight couples, which makes sixteen people in total, but only eight men to base their claim on. :-)

Date: 2006-07-20 03:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pseudomonas.livejournal.com
And the BBC have done excellent work in beating PubMed (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Search&db=pubmed&term=klosch+g&tool=fuzzy&ot=Kloesch+G) to the story!

Date: 2006-07-20 03:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pseudomonas.livejournal.com
Ah, it's proceedings of a meeting, so it's not necessarily crap, but it means I can't look at the article and see whether what the researchers say matches at all with what the hacks say.

Date: 2006-07-21 12:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cartesiandaemon.livejournal.com
The article seemed ambiguous -- almost all third hand reporting of scientific results by people who don't understand statistics are :( But it gave me the impression that of the eight couples, all slept better apart.

This does seem meaningful. If there was no effect, each couple would presumably have a 50% chance of sleeping better on the week they spent apart, so the chance of them all doing so is 1/2^8 or better than 99% confidence. That's not quite proof, but seems provisionally convincing.

Of course, I think the study probably *didn't* show that. If you have results less conclusive than "for everyone" you need a meaningful sample. But it seems like what the article *said*.

Date: 2006-07-20 02:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gnimmel.livejournal.com
I think they may have gotten women confused with zombies, there.

Date: 2006-07-20 03:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] davefish.livejournal.com
Its horrible when that happens, especially at the point of waking up with a really sore head, and a better half covered in blood.

Date: 2006-07-20 05:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bopeepsheep.livejournal.com
/me looks at self.


Easy mistake to make.

Date: 2006-07-20 03:05 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] vatine
I don't think an avid lifestyle of boykissing would help, it specifically says "men who share a bed", so in a boy-boy relationship, there would be TWO people having their sleep destroyed. No, the obvious solution is for all men to transform to women and then become avid girlkissers.

Date: 2006-07-20 05:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pjc50.livejournal.com
Earl of Bunk-bed

I'm now wondering about the sleeping arrangements of the Earl of Sandwich.

Date: 2006-07-20 08:41 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] ronebofh.livejournal.com
Apparently, sharing a bed with a woman "drains men's brains".

1) How could they tell? LOL OMG LOL

2) That's not all that's being drained, if they're lucky! ULTRALOL

Date: 2006-07-21 12:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cartesiandaemon.livejournal.com
Well, the boykissing sounds good to me. But as far as the article said, which I went to great lengths to rip apart in the other comment, they seem to have compared "sleeping with a woman" to "sleeping alone". Joke: Now, maybe I'm too egalitarian, but I'm inclined to think sleeping with a man[1] is more like sleeping with a woman than not :)

[1] Or boy, or sheep, or whatever :)

Date: 2006-07-21 07:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] adrian-turtle.livejournal.com
That's a problem with small studies. Nobody thinks of solutions that become obvious when a large group of people actually lives with the situation. Kiss (etc) BEFORE going to sleep. Then go to sleep in separate beds, and meet up for more kissing (etc) when both are well-rested in the morning.

Date: 2006-07-21 12:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] annajaneclare.livejournal.com
I wouldn't mind demure twin beds like a couple in a 60's sitcom, actually. Even better, I'd like private suites in which we could visit one another if we so chose but even then I know I'd go poking around in his private rooms to upbraid him on the extent of his used tissue collection. (He's not a serial masturbator - just rather sinussy and hayfeverish.)

A Churchill arrangement like that would suit me nicely. We're like the opposite of the Churchhills (A famously long and happy marriage allegedly kept long and happy by both participants not sleeping together unless they fancied a spot of how's your father) - he gets up at seven in the morning and I go to bed at five in the morning.

Cameron gains snake noise, loses snake (7)

Date: 2006-07-24 02:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] barnacle.livejournal.com
"Historically, we have never been meant to sleep in the same bed as each other." Historically? Does he mean in the days when people routinely shared a bed with all their siblings, and livestock, assuming they could tell the difference, because there wasn't enough space or central heating to do otherwise? Or before that, when we all curled up in a cave?

It can't be when we were all in a cave, because that's pre-history, and sleep experts are reknowned for the precision with which they use language. This is because their discipline is terribly important, rigorously scientific, and pursued only by the most intelligent researchers in the world.

Last year of the seven thousand people studying Philosophy & Sleep Expertness at Oxford, three thousand achieved first-class honours because they're so incredibly clever, but only the top six of those were granted funding. It's like mathematics in that way, as well as in the purity of its intellectual pursuit.

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