CV again

[j4]

Okay, you're all sick of this by now, but MY JOURNAL, MY WHINGES, okay? (Love me, love my neuroses.)

Updated and enhanced CV here. (It's in Word format, sorry, because I can't format it nicely in plain text and I'm lazy.) Katherine, I haven't turned every negative into a positive, but I've turned it all into neutral-statements-with-positive-sounding-verbs-in ... will that do as a compromise? :-)

I've also added Positions of Responsibility and Other Information -- thanks to emperor for providing grown-up sounding headings. I think those sections of my CV both read a bit crap, though, so again, suggestions welcomed.

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Currently wondering whether to apply for this job with the IWF. I know I could do it, but a) can I convince them that I could do it, and b) do I want to work for the IWF? Not sure.

Update: Yeah, yeah, CV now there with correctly-typed name, ph34r my l337 computing skillz. :-}

Comments

[jiggery-pokery.livejournal.com]

Well, I think it's ace, and I hope potential employers would do so too. :-) (Interesting to learn a couple of things about you which I didn't know before!)

I would smush the "Education" and "Qualifications" sections together - just list the educational establishments you went to next to what you earned there.

I would try very hard to get this down to two pages, largely by playing with the font and the line gaps. There's also the trick that you don't need to head it "Curriculum Vitae", because it's obvious what it is - just head it with your name in centred block capitals instead. This is one of three things I can remember from the Careers Service, with the other two being stupid body language tricks. :-)

Caveat: I'm probably trying to turn your CV into mine and mine may not necessarily be all that good.

[j4.livejournal.com]

Well, I think it's ace, and I hope potential employers would do so too.

Thank you!

(Interesting to learn a couple of things about you which I didn't know before!)

Now wondering what you didn't know...

I would smush the "Education" and "Qualifications" sections together - just list the educational establishments you went to next to what you earned there.

That's a good idea (and would probably help bringing it down to two pages), but I can't work out how to do it nicely and keep all the information in there...

I would try very hard to get this down to two pages, largely by playing with the font and the line gaps.

I don't really want to change the font if I can help it -- I like TNR, I think it looks smart, I know it comes out okay on my cruddy printer, I think anything bigger would look like green crayon and anything smaller would really strain people's eyes. Line gaps I could fix, I suppose, but the more of that kind of faffing I put in, the more danger it'll all break when I change it from Mac format to PC format to send it to people.

There's also the trick that you don't need to head it "Curriculum Vitae", because it's obvious what it is - just head it with your name in centred block capitals instead.

Good point. :-)

This is one of three things I can remember from the Careers Service, with the other two being stupid body language tricks.

Ooh, go on, what were the stupid body language tricks?

Caveat: I'm probably trying to turn your CV into mine and mine may not necessarily be all that good.

To be honest any suggestions are good, because part of the problem with my CV is it feels really stale because I wrote it all aeons ago and have barely done anything with my life in the last three years. :-(

[jiggery-pokery.livejournal.com]

Now wondering what you didn't know...

That you got a 1st and that you were female co-chair of LGBSoc for a year. Impressive and responsible IMHO.

Ooh, go on, what were the stupid body language tricks?

1) The "professional" gaze is focusing directly on someone's forehead, in between their eyes and a little further up; the "intimate" gaze is focusing directly at their nose.

2) If you are using your finger or a pencil to point something out, like moving down a sheet of paper which someone else is reading, then lift the finger or pencil up, they will follow it and you can choose what they look at next. (Unless they've been told that they will, when they'll think about it and won't follow it.)

Given that you've shown me yours, I want to show you mine (http://www.dickson.demon.co.uk/cv.doc) for counterpart commentary. It's a tiny bit out of date - I ought to put in something about the local games club because quite a lot of people like to see that on CVs, plus the other interests are almost entirely old. I suppose there might be jobs where I'd mention going across to Nimbus - 2003 to run Quidditch, but very few. (Ones requiring public speaking or presentation to audiences or teaching or entertainment, at a guess.)

Tough question: are there any jobs for which you should mention the existence (even if not necessarily the URL) of your LiveJournal?

[j4.livejournal.com]

I thought the LGBSoc one might be one of the things you didn't know (not a lot of people know that). To be honest the female co-chair didn't really have much to do when I was it, because the society was about 99% men. But I don't need to say that on my CV, and I did do some things. :-) I thought you knew I'd got a first... for all the good it's done me.

Given that you've shown me yours, I want to show you mine for counterpart commentary.

No, really, I know nothing about CVs. I can't comment! It looks fine to me!

It's a tiny bit out of date - I ought to put in something about the local games club because quite a lot of people like to see that on CVs, plus the other interests are almost entirely old.

Yeah, but then most of my CV is stuff I did before leaving university, and that's three years old now. If I took all that out there'd be nothing on my CV except ProQuest!

I suppose there might be jobs where I'd mention going across to Nimbus - 2003 to run Quidditch, but very few. (Ones requiring public speaking or presentation to audiences or teaching or entertainment, at a guess.)

Good grief, I'd definitely put that on -- it's good for general stuff like communication and confidence and stuff surely? Not to mention designing a project and seeing it through and running it and all that kind of thing. I don't know the right buzzwords to use here, but it sounds like it'd definitely be worthwhile mentioning it!

Tough question: are there any jobs for which you should mention the existence (even if not necessarily the URL) of your LiveJournal?

Nope. Easy question -- it's just nothing to do with my work. I don't attempt to hide it, but it's no more relevant to any job I'm likely to do than is, oh, I dunno, sitting in the pub talking to friends. (I've mentioned usenet once in a job application; that was for something that required local knowledge, and I mentioned cam.misc. And I didn't get the job anyway, obviously.)

I do sometimes wish I could talk about social/personal life in the "describe an occasion when you have had to use tact and diplomacy to blah blah blah" type of questions, but I get weird looks if I mention things like that. Because clearly talking to an awkward manager shows a Useful Transferable Skill, whereas talking friends down from panic attacks and episodes of violent self-harm is just, you know, weird girly shit, and nothing to do with real-life skills. <exasperated sigh>

[jvvw.livejournal.com]

One piece of advice that a (very good) careers advisor in Oxford gave me about CVs was to use horizontal lines between sections and to use tables in Word. I think it made my CV look much much neater (I'm happy to send you or Chris a copy of my CV from when I was applying for jobs earlier this year if you want to actually see!).

I remember it took me quite a lot of effort not to put in lots of personal stuff that I was proud of or which was important to me but wouldn't help get me an interview or job. Getting it down to two pages was quite hard work :-)

[j4.livejournal.com]

to use horizontal lines between sections and to use tables in Word

Urghh. There are some things I won't do, even to get a job.

[jvvw.livejournal.com]

I'm not sure if you're objecting on aesthetic grounds (I mean invisible tables of course) or having to delve into horrible things in Word (in which case I'd point out that I'm hopeless with Word and I don't remember it taking me very long).

[j4.livejournal.com]

I meant aesthetic grounds, really, but (more importantly) portability grounds. Do I mean portability? Brane is tired. Being able to turn it painlessly from a Mac Word doc into a PC one, is what I mean. I find that any formatting more complicated than different fonts risks breaking horribly when you turn docs from one type of Word into another. Maybe I'm just doing it wrong. :-/

[jiggery-pokery.livejournal.com]

I'm happy to send you or Chris a copy of my CV from when I was applying for jobs earlier this year if you want to actually see!

Yes please! Usual address as per my profile (better still, minus the -lj part before the @).

[jiggery-pokery.livejournal.com]

Good grief, I'd definitely put that on -- it's good for general stuff like communication and confidence and stuff surely?

These things are matters of opinion and yours is as valid as anyone else's. It just seems a little... well, wacky to me. Somehow geeky good, wacky bad, y'know?

The point about helping to organise a convention overseas, international teamwork and so forth is very valid; I don't have to mention that it was a Harry Potter event on the CV and can bring it up at interview. However, the world can be very closed-minded on this issue (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/3109530.stm). It's sad, really.

LJ: I would be tempted to mention it for jobs where writing skills would be heavily tested. On the other hand, this makes the "write what you feel like writing" / "write to impress" divide even harder to straddle. Perhaps there might be value in the concept of polishing up some LJ entries as more general writing samples.

[j4.livejournal.com]

The impression I get from the article you link to is that they're warning against people trying to make themselves look interesting by merely listing lots of weird and wacky interests. Which you wouldn't be doing; you'd be using it to highlight your amazing range of talents: organising events, organising people, designing and running games (things like "carrying a project through from planning to implementation" I think are the sort of thing you want here), communicating information, getting other people interested and enthusiastic about something (there's better buzzwords for this but that part of my brain has switched off, sorry), and so on, and so forth. I think if you include all that it probably doesn't matter if you mention the content/context.

Perhaps there might be value in the concept of polishing up some LJ entries as more general writing samples.

Personally I'd stick that kind of thing on a separate website. I have some of my writing on my website and if I wanted to impress people with my writing I'd probably add to that; bear in mind, though, that everybody else knows the WWW (and blogs) have no quality control... :-) I suspect that writing articles for a newsletter or something (even for the Harry Potter Fan Club) might carry more weight than "I write stuff, here, it's on the web". But I don't know. I don't really apply for stuff like that.

Anyway, you've had books published; you don't need to point at LJ to prove you can write!

And since I haven't managed to get a job I'm probably in no position to advise here... so feel free to ignore all this. Sigh.