I'm confused by the idea of being (or not being) "impressed" by either of these things. I don't see them in that light at all. They're not achievements -- except, I suppose, insofar as it's an achievement to pursue one's desires and interests.
This knocked me sideways. I was thinking about it while mowing and raking the lawn this afternoon and realised just how goal-oriented I am, even in situations like this where being so overtly goal-oriented cannot be helpful. Hadn't thought of things like that in that sort of way before.
Finding something which works for you is definitely an achievement, though I'm not sure whether finding something or the act of looking for something is more valuable.
I think I'll cut this short here, not through objection to the subject matter, but because I realise I need to do more thinking on the subject - probably not just hours or days' more, but mulling over it for a long time.
Apologies also for using inappropriate terminology. I know I hate it when Dad tries to have conversations about technical things with me - he keeps wanting to know where all this data on the Internet is at any moment. It's a pain largely because he just doesn't get it - and even patient, repeated, slow re-education doesn't fundamentally help. I have a strong feeling that I'm touching on subjects that, in the same way, I just don't get... yet. Perhaps things will start to make more sense when I have more experience of the world.
Hope some of this made sense.
Loud and clear. Thank you for your very straight talking on the subject.
Finding something which works for you is definitely an achievement, though I'm not sure whether finding something or the act of looking for something is more valuable.
Personally I lean towards the idea that the act of looking is more valuable; I think that's because I believe that we make our own goals, so the actual achievement of a goal is only as important as we make it. Er, it all gets a bit circular here...
Apologies also for using inappropriate terminology.
I don't think you did, did you? If you mean my objection to the word "play" in a BDSM context, it's the most widely-used term, it's almost certainly the "right" term to use when talking about it because it's the most widely-understood, I just personally don't really like it. Not sure why; it's certainly not that I think it's "too serious" to be described as "play" or anything like that. I think it's all part of my rather complicated hangups about the BDSM "community", and communities in general.
Anyway, I'm glad I've given you stuff to think about, even if it turns out that you come back and say "j4, you're talking absolute rubbish!" -- the process of thinking and debating etc. is usually a lot more interesting IMHO than the specifics of the conclusion. :-) (Back to the journey vs destination thing again...)
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Re: long comment (both parts, my second part)
Date: 2003-05-21 08:52 pm (UTC)This knocked me sideways. I was thinking about it while mowing and raking the lawn this afternoon and realised just how goal-oriented I am, even in situations like this where being so overtly goal-oriented cannot be helpful. Hadn't thought of things like that in that sort of way before.
Finding something which works for you is definitely an achievement, though I'm not sure whether finding something or the act of looking for something is more valuable.
I think I'll cut this short here, not through objection to the subject matter, but because I realise I need to do more thinking on the subject - probably not just hours or days' more, but mulling over it for a long time.
Apologies also for using inappropriate terminology. I know I hate it when Dad tries to have conversations about technical things with me - he keeps wanting to know where all this data on the Internet is at any moment. It's a pain largely because he just doesn't get it - and even patient, repeated, slow re-education doesn't fundamentally help. I have a strong feeling that I'm touching on subjects that, in the same way, I just don't get... yet. Perhaps things will start to make more sense when I have more experience of the world.
Hope some of this made sense.
Loud and clear. Thank you for your very straight talking on the subject.
Re: long comment (both parts, my second part)
Date: 2003-05-23 04:00 am (UTC)Personally I lean towards the idea that the act of looking is more valuable; I think that's because I believe that we make our own goals, so the actual achievement of a goal is only as important as we make it. Er, it all gets a bit circular here...
Apologies also for using inappropriate terminology.
I don't think you did, did you? If you mean my objection to the word "play" in a BDSM context, it's the most widely-used term, it's almost certainly the "right" term to use when talking about it because it's the most widely-understood, I just personally don't really like it. Not sure why; it's certainly not that I think it's "too serious" to be described as "play" or anything like that. I think it's all part of my rather complicated hangups about the BDSM "community", and communities in general.
Anyway, I'm glad I've given you stuff to think about, even if it turns out that you come back and say "