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[personal profile] j4
Dear cyclists,

Cycling on the pavement is illegal. The reason it's illegal is that it is ANTISOCIAL, STUPID, and potentially DANGEROUS.

Cycling on a crowded pavement, even if it wasn't illegal, would still be ANTISOCIAL, STUPID and potentially DANGEROUS.

When you are told "stop cycling on the pavement" by somebody you have just nearly run over by trying to cycle off a busy pedestrian crossing onto a very narrow pavement, the correct answer is not to point at a nearby toddler on a plastic trike (on the pavement) and say "He's cycling on the pavement." Nor is it to yell "FUCK OFF".

Toddlers are allowed to cycle on the pavement, even though it's still fucking irritating and still fucking painful when they run over your heels/toes. However toddlers have an excuse for being as annoying and stupid as 2-year-olds, namely they're, like, actually two years old, and are still in training for being useful and non-irritating members of the human race. If you are riding a bike that's nearly as tall as me and you're old enough to have a stupid haircut, a tweed jacket and a cocking iPod -- and to shout FUCK OFF at strangers -- then I'm guessing you're actually old enough to learn to cycle on the road.

Furthermore, even if some OTHER CRETINS have parked their white vans and their sodding vanity-numberplated SUVs in the cycle lane and the zigzags so they can sit and read the paper while their morbidly obese other half waddles the 1.5 metres to the shop to buy fags and cake, that STILL doesn't make you NOT a cretin for cycling on the pavement.

Oh, and while we're here:

Cycling while smoking or using a mobile phone is probably not, in itself, illegal. It is, however, STUPID and potentially DANGEROUS. Yes, I know, you have superhuman balance and control and psychic powers which prevent other people doing anything unpredictable within a 5-metre radius of you; you are therefore quite capable of cycling while smoking, texting and juggling chainsaws, WHILE BLINDFOLDED. So get a fucking unicycle and join the circus. Oh, by the way, unicycling on the pavement? ALSO ILLEGAL.

No love,
me.

P.S. AND NINTHLY I don't want to know how ACTUALLY you ALWAYS cycle on the 40-foot-wide well-lit pavement outside your HOUSE and it's just the fascism of the nanny state and health-and-safety-gone-mad that says that's illegal and besides bikes have a decree from THE QUEEN that says they're allowed to run you over if they want to whereas cars are evil and are technically disallowed by the second law of thermodynamics. I also don't give a fuck how you cycled on a pavement when nobody was there to see and therefore it can't have really been illegal, unless you also prove at the same time that you can SHUT THE FUCK UP in the woods when there's nobody there to listen to you.
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Date: 2007-10-26 01:11 pm (UTC)

Date: 2007-10-26 01:28 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] sparrowsion
Also, the fact that nearly the full width of the road is occupied by a couple of dippy pedestrians and a slower cyclist overtaking them is not a sufficient reason for mounting the pavement in order to overtake them all. Even if you were at least going the correct way down the one-way street in question.

Date: 2007-10-26 01:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] j4.livejournal.com
Jaysus.

I forgot about pedestrians in the cycle lane though. Usually IME it's two or three girls aged somewhere between 9 and 18 (who can tell?), wearing every single item of clothing from the dressing-up-box plus some ballet slippers made out of gold paper, all with at least one iPod and talking on at least one phone, who when you ring the bell or shout "get out of the road!" collapse into a) the road and b) a fit of hysterical, screaming giggles.

Or people walking BACKWARDS along the road talking to their mates.

Or cycling along the pavement so they can go at the same speed as their mates who are walking in the cycle lane ARGH DIE DIE DIE.

Date: 2007-10-26 01:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sesquipedality.livejournal.com
Speaking as a cyclist CYCLE ON THE ROAD YOU F**KING MORONS! IT'S WHAT IT WAS INVENTED FOR.

Date: 2007-10-26 01:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] j4.livejournal.com
I am fortunate (ha!) in being able to speak as a cyclist, pedestrian and (occasional) driver. This gives me a wealth of experience based on which I estimate that 90% of people are inconsiderate twats, whatever mode of transport they are currently using to convey their twattish selves from a to b.

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Date: 2007-10-26 01:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] beingjdc.livejournal.com
South London Addendum - shrinking your bicycle by 60% so it looks like you've stolen it from a toddler, and adding an engine, is not the same as getting the pavement made into a cycle lane.

Date: 2007-10-26 01:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] j4.livejournal.com
Is that those weird baby-motorbike things? I thought at first you were talking about those tossy low-slung stunt-bikes with which people cycle up stairs and over cars and stuff, but they don't have engines (possibly the only good thing about them).

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Cycling while smoking or using a mobile phone

Date: 2007-10-26 01:40 pm (UTC)
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I think you probably could get done for either of these. The Highway Code has a Should for "keep both hands on the handlebars except when signalling or changing gear". If a policeman was feeling particularly grumpy I imagine cycling whilst on a mobile or smoking would come under "cycling without due care and attention".

James
From: [identity profile] j4.livejournal.com
Yeah, but if the police actually gave a fuck about people cycling stupidly/illegally (or for that matter parking in cycle lanes) the world would be a very different place.

I've only ever once seen someone get stopped for cycling on the pavement, and that was when he overtook a police car by mounting the pavement to the left of it, which is really just taking the piss.

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Date: 2007-10-26 01:44 pm (UTC)
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Good rant!

Date: 2007-10-26 02:03 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] taimatsu
I Agree With This Post.

I think legally those ten years old and under are allowed to cycle on the pavement. But I see obviously middle-aged idiots doing it all the flipping time.

Date: 2007-10-26 02:22 pm (UTC)
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No, they're not. The Police choose not to act against children playing in front of their own house, on their own street, on their scooters and skateboards and bicycles.

That's all. I think there's something in the law that allows toddlers to trundle along on a tricycle, supervised by (or even tethered to) an adult but I wouldn't bet on it - it's about the Police and the CSO's showing discretion and choosing when to act on obvious hazards and irresponsible behaviour: they would definitely ask the parents to carry the trike and walk (or carry) the toddler in the crowds on Oxford Street on a Saturday.



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Date: 2007-10-26 02:13 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] hairyears.livejournal.com
"Mummy says I mustn't cycle on the road until I'm older"

Date: 2007-10-26 02:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] half-of-monty.livejournal.com
And while we're on the subject, stop at red lights (http://www.stopatred.org/), get some decent bike lights, and if your brakes are broken, don't ride your bike again until you've got them fixed.

On the other hand, you're driving an SUV and crash into a cyclist from behind, claiming `your brakes don't work' is unlikely to be relevant.

Still, I have an entirely off-road commute to work (until it floods) so I get to avoid all other road-users for now.

Date: 2007-10-26 02:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] half-of-monty.livejournal.com
Oh, and on the other hand: cycles are legitimate road users of all roads. Even roads with a cycle path on the pavement. So don't yell at cyclists to get off the road and onto the pavement, they may have a legitimate reason not to want to go near it, like it having been covered by deep and dangerous gravel, for example.

Date: 2007-10-26 02:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] j4.livejournal.com
Yes, I am aware of that, and no, I don't yell at cyclists to get out of the road. Unless they're cycling THE WRONG WAY on the road, in which case I just yell "YOU'RE GOING THE WRONG WAY" at which point they either yell abuse or look blank.

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Date: 2007-10-26 02:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sphyg.livejournal.com
Hear, hear. Plus, road cyclists should not cycle into pedestrians when the green man is showing at PEDESTRIAN crossings.

Date: 2007-10-26 02:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] half-of-monty.livejournal.com
Nor should cars, as they regularly do at the top of south parks road.

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Date: 2007-10-26 02:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] burkesworks.livejournal.com
Bad enough that there are cyclists on the pavement; but round our way we have worse. I'm talking about those annoying little quad bikes that make a noise in inverse proportion to their size, of which there are many that infest the highways during the evening. Those trials bikes sometimes make an appearance too. Worst scenario of the lot recently was almost being knocked over by a kid who looked no more than about fourteen driving an unlicensed CZ-150 on the pavement...

Date: 2007-10-26 02:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] j4.livejournal.com
I've seen motorbikes on the cycle lane along the Botley Road. And those scooters that are little more than hairdryers-on-wheels, but I just overtake those.

Date: 2007-10-26 02:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] covertmusic.livejournal.com
I wonder if bug-spray would work on those. They're high-pitched enough. I can hear the mating cries drifting over from Stourbridge Common most nights; the thready skirl of the L-plated chavatista on a knocked-off Vespa.

One of these days - soon - the cows will take their revenge on us all.

Date: 2007-10-26 03:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] crouchinglynx.livejournal.com
I agree entirely. I usually manage to shout at one cyclist a day about this. The most recent one to stop and argue back was a hippie who gave me an "I won't be controlled" speech, and a minute later he backed down (at least until he got out of my sight). But I always win the argument, no matter how much or little they say to justify their actions, because I KNOW I'M RIGHT.

My current pet hate, though, is the ones that cycle on the pavement after dark, and when I tell them to get on the road, they say "but I've got no lights". Doing a second stupid, selfish, dangerous thing doesn't cancel the first one out!

Date: 2007-10-26 03:10 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] nja.livejournal.com
Cycling while smoking or using a mobile phone is probably not, in itself, illegal. It is, however, STUPID and potentially DANGEROUS.

I agree, but there was something impressive about a woman I saw cycling through Lincolnshire the other week, obviously on her way to work (in overalls) and smoking like a steamtrain. None of that "I'm holding a fag in my hand and taking an occasional puff" nonsense, both hands were on the handlebars and the cigarette was being sucked to death with grim determination. I guess she was going to spend eight hours in a petrol station or one of those food factories where you're sacked if you go for a piss more than twice a day.

I'd be quite happy to allow adults to cycle on the pavement if they were forced to use an age 4-8 tricycle with My Little Pony decals and twinkly streamers on the handlebars, and one of those handles on the back to allow a grownup to stop them if they are going too fast.

Date: 2007-10-26 03:19 pm (UTC)
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I'm not a fan of surveillance society, but there are exceptions. I'm also not a fan of camera phones, but likewise there are exceptions.

If people started taking photos of idiots cycling on the pavement and sending them to police, the worst offenders would soon get recognised and might even get prosecuted.

If cycles had to have registration marks like proper vehicles, this would be even more effective.

Date: 2007-10-26 03:30 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] lnr
Um, the police don't do anything if you send them photos of vans parked in contraflow cycle lanes, why on earth would they care about pavement cyclists?

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Date: 2007-10-26 03:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chickenfeet2003.livejournal.com
Generally I agree with you but there are a couple of spots in Toronto where I swear the set up has been designed to cull cyclists and the most sensible work around is the sidewalk.

Just to the west of the intersection of Spadina and Queen's Quay the bike lane disappears for maybe 10m. At that point the road funnels to a scant car width between the curb and the above grade street car tracks. Immediately to the east of the intersection is cycvle lane. So, you are on your bike in the cycle lane with a line of cars to your left. The light changes. You set off across the intersection at the far end of which there is not room enough for you and the car. Do you fight the car or hop the sidewalk for the few metres until the bike lane starts again. I think a similar thing happens when the bike lane is blocked by a parked vehicle and there is no safe way around on the road side. Obviously I wouldn't ride on the sidewalk in either case if it was at all crowded but if it's empty or almost so, the sidewalk wins. I'm not going to get killed for an empty principle.

Date: 2007-10-26 03:30 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] lnr
If it's not safe on the road get off and *walk*.

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Date: 2007-10-26 03:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rysmiel.livejournal.com
I agree with you absolutely and wholeheartedly. [ See, I can get the sentiment out without swearing for emphasis, really. ]

Also, ringing your bell like a lunatic does not actually help warn pedestrians who are in fact hard of hearing.

Date: 2007-10-26 08:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] j4.livejournal.com
ringing your bell like a lunatic does not actually help warn pedestrians who are in fact hard of hearing

Nor does it have much effect on pedestrians who are ON THE FUCKING PHONE or umbilically attached to their iPod. I mean, listening to music while walking, fine, but if you're going to walk IN THE FUCKING ROAD then it's probably more sensible to have your ears fully operational. Mind you, if "sensible" came into it you probably wouldn't be walking in the road in the first place. Though (pre-empting the idiots) no, it's not illegal. Just stupid.

And I could have probably got it out without swearing BUT I FUCKING FELT LIKE FUCKING SWEARING. Sorry. :-}

I still feel all knotted inside. At the moment I think I am approximately 5 parts caffeine, 3 parts broad-spectrum rage, and 2 parts total brain-numbing exhaustion.

I don't have an icon for "lots of my icons would be slightly appropriate here but none of them would be quite right". I think at the moment I could aspire to being an orange, though.

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Date: 2007-10-26 03:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kjaneway.livejournal.com
Can I offer virtual tea and cake?

You sound like you've had the sort of day that needs it.

PS. your rant is absolutely right.

Date: 2007-10-26 03:31 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] lnr
j4++

Date: 2007-10-26 04:17 pm (UTC)

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Date: 2007-10-26 03:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jamboi.livejournal.com
While the point you make is valid (if aggressively put) and I'm very very irritated at irresponsible cyclists who give the rest of us a bad name (because no-one notices us) AND I'm also aware you're a cyclist, I'd like to make a sort of sideways point.

It really does annoy me how car drivers make excuses very loudly for all the illegal things they do while decrying very loudly all the illegal/annoying things cyclists do. Why is it that jumping red lights, cycling on the pavement and (although this is extremely dangerous and irresponsible) being unlit are very very very bad whereas speeding, using a mobile phone, violating box junctions and not using your bloody wingmirrors are just the sort of thing you do and are kind of OK really because everybody does it.

There is this kind of thing going on with car driving where it's a thing everyone does and very occasionally someone gets hurt/seriously injured/killed but drivers can't be held fully accountable for this. Why is 'death by dangerous driving' not just manslaughter? You are in-fact hurtling at least a ton of metal around my neighbourhood, be responsible (this applies to cyclists too, even though they are somewhat lighter).

Date: 2007-10-26 04:20 pm (UTC)
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How dangerous are unlit cyclists, then? As a number of resulting deaths per year, say.

(Not making any excuses, and I'm perfectly adequately lit myself, it's just one of those things people often seem to say is dangerous without quantifying at all.)

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Date: 2007-10-26 04:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] arnhem.livejournal.com
I'm entirely in agreement with you (and at the same level of rantage)

with one very small exception

Where there's a non-trivial obstruction in the road, it is not unusual, and not unreasonable, for all vehicles whether motorised or not, to temporarily make use of the pavement. If done cautiously, at a walking pace, and giving pedestrians priority, I think that's not unreasonable, and is sometimes the only pragmatic solution to a problem. This seems on a par with the use of the pavement to access roadside property ...

Date: 2007-10-26 05:19 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] lnr
If there's not actually room to wait for a gap and go round the other side of the obstruction you could always get off and walk... And given the need to bump up and down kerbs and how wobbly people usually are when cycling at walking pace (and I mean 3mph here not 5mph) then it's probably actually not that much more inconvenient than cycling.

I had a very alarming truck coming along the pavement towards me on Lensfield Road the other morning because it couldn't be bothered to wait until another vehicle had finished turning right.

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Date: 2007-10-26 08:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] colinmurtagh.livejournal.com
that's the main thing I don't miss since moving out of Cambridge. I haven't even seen a cyclist since we got here.

Date: 2007-10-26 08:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] j4.livejournal.com
Because everybody walks? ... she said, hopefully, but suspecting that the real answer is that everybody drives absolutely everywhere. :-/

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you should meet this guy

Date: 2007-10-27 02:18 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] imc.livejournal.com
I once read a suggestion that the best put-down to offer to a pavement cyclist is "Doesn't your mother let you cycle on the road?" although I've never tried it. (It's even possible that the suggestion came from you.)

I did, as [livejournal.com profile] crouchinglynx seems to have done, once tell a cyclist off for going on the pavement only to receive the answer "Sorry, I've got no lights" as if that made everything OK.

Date: 2007-10-29 12:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] scat0324.livejournal.com
I currently do a variant on this - as if talking to the small child near me, I say in a loud voice "See, his mummy doesn't let him cycle on the roads either". They generally look very bemused and often go onto the road shortly after.

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